Our forces getting involved was a huge mistake...thanks again to the incompetence of our current inexperienced president and his gang of appointees.

First, a 'no-fly' zone is supposed to relate only to aircraft....what's happening now isn't the enforcement of a no-fly zone, it's an assault on Qadaffi/Libya's military forces, not to mention, attempts to kill him as well. When have tanks become anti-aircraft weapons?!

It's time for us (the U.S.) to worry about us and leave the rest of the world to themselves. The damn Arab League had enough aircraft to do this if they wanted...but they flip flopped on the issue...first they endorsed it...then they objected...No...let's get the U.S. to do the dirty work and then we'll condemn them later for getting involved in another Muslim country later.....I'm sick of the entire Muslim world.

When will the world wake up and realize...it's never going to be a 'live and let live' situation with them....That's been proven time and time again by Israel giving this and then giving that...but it's never good enough. Even this week, rockets and mortars rained down on them from the Gaza strip...they don't want peace, they want to rule...end of discussion.

As to our President...what a freak'n joke he is...he hates America...he was raised to believe the country is evil and all his actions since being elected has proven that. He didn't even consult Congress about this participation in another war...but ohhh...that doesn't matter, the U.N. endorsed it...yeah, right...another organization primarily funded by the U.S. taxpayer that's a joke. So while on another vacation in Rio, he makes this decision and then announces to the the Brazilians that he wants them to drill for more oil.."we'll be your best customer"...while ordering no drilling in our gulf. But that's ok, right...let's go back to share the wealth again...we here in the U.S. have it better than the rest of the world, right....let's shut down more jobs for our people....not utilize our own resources, but buy other countries'..sending our money to them...hell, I'm gonna stop now...before I start planning a mission in Rio.

Not gotten involved in civli wars? How short is the memory at fox? What about Korea, Vietnam, Cuba? I'm sure there are more

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You see ...
I've got no love for genocidal dictators, but just as I suspected:

""'Flickers' of al Qaeda in Libyan opposition":
www.cnn.com/2011/US/03/29/libya.opposition.analysis/index.html?hpt=T1 "

PS:
Is this the beginning of the end:

""Workers at Japan Nuke Plant 'Lost the Race' to Save Reactor, Expert Says":

www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/29/workers-japan-nuke-plant-lost-race-save-reactor-expert-says/ "

rex

You will find flickers of any group that wants to see Ghadaffi leave Libya. Extremsits groups like that will not find many supporters among people who have a decent living standard and hope for the future though. Keep people housed and fed and they will be at ease. Starve and opress them and they will follow any extremist who promises a better life.

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Amen Rex...
The Presidential address last night wasn't much more than a scripted bunch of lies.
Our 'no fly' zone has become nothing more than an assault on Gadhafi's military forces...now striking actual troop defensive positions, not to mention the tanks, ect. over the past few days....."a humanitarian effort" ?!!? what a crock of bull...
"no regime change"...right...
We've spent over 550 million $ already...

Edited incorrect 'math'

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As I remebered most of you were oh so keen to join the bomb liberals when it was about attacking Iraq and Afghanistan. Ranting about how unpatriotic it was not to support the war.
Did you all change your mind now as the president no longer is a republican or what? Is it now unpatriotic to be for trying to install democracy in an arabic country? Will we soon hear you say that Nato is only in it for the oil? Did you all start wearing John Kerrys flip flops

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Lod,
next time you see two buildings come down that could have contained over 40,000 people if it had happenned an hour later due to suicidal terrorist air attacks, you'd start waving your flag too, but we're out of money
and yes I actually watched it happen on live news.

rex

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NO LOD...Libya compared to Iraq and Afghanistan is a totally different situation...and if anyone has any mental capacity, they know it. Arguing political philosophy doesn't solve any problems.

We were attacked by elements within Afghanistan...that should be a no brainer.

As far as Iraq...must we again discuss that Saddam had invaded another country, performed genocide on peoples within his own country and was a threat to peace throughout the region.

Now Libya....Gadhafi certainly wasn't an angel, but with the action in Iraq, gave up his nuclear research/weapons and WASN'T invading another country. Sure he was guilty of terrorist acts in the past...but hell if that's the basis for the current military action, then let's add Iran, Syria, Lebanon and others to the 'next to hit' list.

Can we count on Sweden taking care of one of those countries?...maybe they can team up with the Netherlands and Denmark...get Norway to step up too...surely, all of you can handle say...Syria, huh?

If our country and others are 'right' to conduct this action, then why not North Korean...Sudan...the list goes on and on..

No...it's time for us (the people of the U.S.) to quit busting our butts, paying taxes and spilling our blood, lowering our standard of living for other nations and peoples and then have insults and criticisms thrown our direction by countries that have a history of years of doing absolutely nothing.

Of course much of this is about the oil....wanna tell me a country that shouldn't be concerned about their way of life and energy?? I get sick of hearing people say we invade a country as if we then back up ships at all the docks and start uploading oil and sending it back. Name a country that doesn't need oil just like all of us...try and tell me that every other country that sits on the sidelines hasn't benefited by the Middle East being somewhat stable for years! And who's always paid the majority of the price for that stability?...the U.S....right...the world is changing...we're tapped out...but sure...some other country will come to the rescue, right?....I'm sure China will...don't hold your breath and expect them to spill one drop of blood or use their assets to insure other countries have needed resources or to insure a stable world market.....no, when their blood is spilled and money spent it'll be for THEIR benefit...not the world's.

So until another country has the will and volunteers their people and money to the degree that we have for others, for almost our entire existence as a country...then and only then do they have the right to criticize our efforts, both past and present.

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For your information Sweden is involved in both Afghanistan and Libya.

www.scancomark.se/Sweden-may-participate-in-Libya-within-ten-days.html

www.thelocal.se/32734/20110321/

www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2696296/posts

Afghanistan.....

www.forsvarsmakten.se/en/Forces-abroad/Afghanistan/

www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=5245413

ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/12/19/sweden-to-strengthen-presence-in-afghanistan/

www.thelocal.se/29944/20101101/

Yes, LOD, it appears that Sweden will participate in Libya ops...and the other links can provide info on Sweden's participation in Afghanistan.

You've always been very vocal in criticizing US actions from your position or belief in the socialist philosophy and perhaps my comments were misunderstood. I did not intend to insult you personally nor the country of Sweden.
However, as a whole, other countries in the world that sit out situations tend to demean our intentions of good.
Token efforts (ie. personnel, equipment, ect.) by various countries are welcome even though far inferior to the usual US contributions. I stated something along the lines of.."to the degree of US efforts"....
The world has changed since post WWII....we're not as strong militarily and certainly not economically as we were then and in years past...therefore, it's time we focus on OUR needs and citizens as most other countries have done throughout there past.
Sweden happens to be one of those countries, as the articles state that their participation in Libya would be the first mission of their air forces in almost 50 years and I believe one of the articles mentioned actual warfare by ground forces has not occurred in over a hundred years.

The point I'm trying to make is that this 'no-fly' zone ISN'T a no-fly zone but a military assault on the current Libya government...another war....no wait, what was the President's description?..oh yeah...a kinetic military action...LMAO, our leadership..no, lack of leadership is a shame compared to our past. Obamarama was embarrassed by the French and English and almost forced into these actions.

My vote is for no more military actions, kinetic or otherwise, unless we (the US) or our citizens are attacked...period. Let everybody step up and start solving their own problems

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See, I told you

What do you mean by token efforts? Remember your population is about 30 times ours and you GDP also something like that.
8 of our fighter jets and 250 personell in Libya would equal 240 of your jets and 7500 personell. Our 6-800 soldiers in Afghanistan is to be counted as 18-25000 of yours. I don't consider such amounts to be "token".
Sweden has always put up resources when asked to by the UN I'm pretty sure we have payed more/capita to the UN than you ever did without even having to research it. Feel free to correct if me you want.
That we didn't participate in NATO actions all over the world may have something to do with that we are not part of that organisation.

Also the situation in Sweden now: the liberals are ruling without an own majority in the house making them dependent on support from either the social democrats or the green to get any decission to carry. The liberals are always willing to start war just as they are in the US while the social dems are more restrictive, so also this time, so they blocked sending forces to do anything but keep up the no-fly zone. Not allowed to attack any ground forces as the liberals would have wanted if they could decide.