I realise it has been going for some time now but finally people have woken up and started a movement against the bankers
Kudos to the brave protesters in Wall Street and other places. Together we will regain our freedom from the clutches of the moneylenders
(Those who have followed this forum knows that I have been speaking against the bankers since many years in here.)

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The 1st step would be for the US government,to own and operate,Wall Street,all of the banks,insurance,real estate and health care industries. Decrease the red tape in being part of these systems,raise the minimum wage to 10 dollars an hour,and set a tax rate of all combined income,at 10 percent,for individuals,businesses and corporations,get rid of NAFTA and keep everything made in america.

IMHO eliminate rothschild and the world will be a better place, or at least there is a good starting point right there

www.lawfulpath.com/ref/federal_reserve.shtml

There you can see who contol the federal reserve. Whoever controls the federal reserve is also ruling the US. Every single dollar that exists has been lended against interest from them. (apart from counterfeit) This is where the enemy of the state/world is.

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Then the laws should be changed,to where anyone below the poverty level-to under $36,000 dollars a year should be able to own at least 1% of the federal reserve,and have a voice in how it is administered. But eventually,we are going to have,a one world economy with different countries controlling the federal reserve,which in turn,will be the world reserve.

So you think only 100 people should be able to control the federal reserve then?

Probably a moot topic. As per normal, there will be a "natural" correction to the evolution of civilization ( not to mention the world economy )through war, pestilence,etc. Then it will be "Return to GO , do not collect $200." Pardon the facetiousness, but the outlook is so grimly predictable that it's one way I have to deal with it.

LMAO! Admire those misfits and leeches? yeah...right...when pigs fly.

Most of those folks are not just hippie types, there are plenty of them that have been out of work a long time because of our broken economy and have lost their homes because of it.

The $64.00 question is though: is there any truth that they've been hurt by wall street? There are some pretty convincing arguments that some wall street schemes did get out of hand causing millions of people to lose their homes and even causing a need for "too big to fail" enterprises to have a need for tax-payer bailout funds much of which (I understand) went to pay bonuses to people that caused the problem in the first place.

"www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/44842241#44842168"

PS:
Admittedly, I was hoping the demonstrators might help to get Obama's American Jobs Bill passed, but it got knocked down ...
my opinion is that Obama's presidency has been hurt by a congress that seems to just want to do their best to get him out of office
and it's also my opinion that social security may be in big trouble if a republican wins next term because $2+trillion of that $14+trillion deficit is our social security trust fund ...
in other words there's no actual bank account of our $2+trillion trust fund earning interest or anything like that and the republicans are just liable to sweep it under the carpet imho.

rex

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Those are strong arguments Sugar. I guess listening too much to fox makes you think that if you have nothing of value to say then at least say it loud
I will however agree that the bankers are leeches, sucking all others dry to enrichen themselves. A less patriotic bunch you will not find anywhere. They only pledge allegience to mammon, they don't give a howling hoot about the US. Move the jobs to China if it makes you a buck.
But I guess thats just the rebublican way.

OH YES, TR...congress knocked down Obama's job bill huh?
Better go research your information from some place other than msnbc...what a joke.
The SENATE voted the bill down....and what party 'controls' the senate...NO...say it ain't so...DEMOCRATS!! wow...so yo bama's own party wouldn't pass the ...excuse me...LOL...'jobs' bill.

Sure...let's have some more 'investment' into green or renewable energy jobs...like Solyndra...nice photo op until
reality hit, huh? Over half a billion out the window...and once again, research all the different people involved...open your eyes to the personal connections right to the front door of the White House.

www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2011/09/17/solyndra-yes-it-was-possible-to-see-this-failure-coming/

online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204524604576610972882349418.html

But wait...yo bama and the dems couldn't wait to send out even more of our money...over 1 Billion this time...but now...no corruption...no ties to the administration or the dems once again, right?

www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46761

www.topfinanceguide.net/?p=1399


YoBama's presidency hurt by a congress?!!...sure...again, blindly forget that dems controlled everything since he was elected to only 6 months ago...the Senate, the Congress AND the White House...they had it all!! Didn't matter what republicans had to say...it didn't matter...dems had the majority in everything! They could pass whatever they wanted and republicans couldn't do nothing about it. Ever see a budget in the last two years?? noooo....of course not, it's just one emergency bill after another....we gotta take action now...pass this bill...we need stimulation...right...stimulation for his cronies...his labor unions, ect....

Damn right I hope his butt gets voted 'out of office'...the country won't survive another 4 years of what we've had since his election...too much money is flushed down the drain or funneled off to Wall Street...Hell, who was Obama's biggest supporters? Wall Street! Look at his admistration...where did most of them work before....Wall Street!

He could have influenced all the change...hell, the country AND the world was behind him....so many people counted on that hope and change....but no...like so many politicians...with democrat or republican name tags...they just can't resist the power and money...and there's plenty of companies and corps willing to 'buy' their favors....that's OUR problem...values, ethics and morals are words most government officials don't understand any more.

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www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/five-myths-about-the-solyndra-collapse/2011/09/14/gIQAfkyvRK_blog.html


www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/13/opinion/main20118731.shtml?tag=cbsnewsSectionsArea;cbsnewsSectionsArea.5

I wonder if this position is still open....hmmmm...

www.dreamjobber.com/jobs/landing.jsp?job=Solyndra&SID=5392830

And oh...don't we just love Obama's choice to head our economic advisor council...Mr. GE himself...Mr. 'start shipping dem jobs to China'...Mr. Immelt himself...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=suN-9FrBi7E&feature=related

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Finally someone who realises both parties are run by Wall Street bankers. Woun't matter where you turn, they still control the money and hence the US. (And the rest of us)

Go down to Wall Street and join the protesters if you like your freedom. We need a new revolt against our kings and lords, today known as Rotschildt, Rockefeller, Murdoch, Morgan and several others..

Sugar, imho you did all that research about Solyndra for naught, because this one quote from one of YOUR sources wins the argument for me imho:

""www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/five-myths-about-the-solyndra-collapse/2011/09/14/gIQAfkyvRK_blog.html":

"My colleagues Joe Stephens and Carol D. Leonnig have obtained e-mails showing that the White House pressed the Office of Management and Budget to hurry up in reviewing the deal (note, however, that this only came after the Energy Department had approved the loan), even as OMB officials voiced concern about being rushed.
Does that prove the White House engaged in cronyism, shoveling cash toward a political ally? Not necessarily. Democrats have pointed out that Solyndra’s loan process was initiated by the Bush administration and that many key investors were Republicans.""

Didn't I say that Obama may have made a poor choice pushing solar enegy?
However, let's get a few things straight like for example the $750 billion "shovel ready" job stimulus that fell through. Ever wonder where that money went?

#1) This wall street bailout involved $trillions deliberately pushed and hidden into foreign banks where noone knew the depth and breath of the damage caused and yes, Obama got caught into a *danged if he did and danged if he didn't* phenomena
and hopefully we may not ever know just how bad it would have been *because he did the bailout*.

#2) On top of the catastrophe caused by wall street, by coincidence, most of our 50 states were relatively in as bad shape financially as our federal government with IOUs for pension funds and high costs of labor to teachers, police and firemen;
So do a little digging and you'll find that most of that $750 billion "shovel ready" job stimulus package got used by the states to pay their IOUs instead of where it had been intended to be used ...
for example, over $30 billion went to straped California,
but both democrat and republican states got the benefit of it So I guess that's why we haven't ever been enlightened with the truth, except republicans have contented themselves by harping on how Obama's first job stimulus package failed.

Was that really Obama's fault? Was he supposed to be a psychic knowing that most of the states would use the funds illicitly?
In any event with 24 million Americans unable to find full time employment, yes I did hope that Obama's American Jobs Bill would pass ...
it needed 60 votes btw, it got a majority and yes two democrats with $billionaires in their states did vote against it, but they still wouldn't have given the required 60 votes ...
all of the republicans did vote it down.

It's also my opinion that with 24 million Americans unable to find full-time employment Uncle Sam does need to try to promote government owned enterprises just like the postal service for example which I do realise is presently in financial straits due to our broken economy and due to internet e-mail payments, but the postal service hasn't ever cost tax-payers a dime and they are now making adjustments.

The post office has been with us since 1775 and it employs 540,000 people second only two Walmart So imho other government owned enterprises can do the same.

One other thing Sugar is that I'm 68 years old and retired ... my concern is social security and I do worry that the republicans will try to sweep our $2+trillion trust fund which is part of the $14+trillion deficit under the carpet ...
all foxnews and the republicans have to say about social security is that it's a *"ponzi scheme"* and if/when our $2+trillion disappears unexplicably, they'll be right.

PS:
Sugar,
admittedly I'm a centrist now leaning left and imo Obama has been genuinely trying;
but according to this link, the republicans are not:

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/44897066#44896624

rex

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See TR, you're still making excuses for the democratic side/Obama and trying to lay the blame on republicans...using that same old tired phrase...."we may never know how bad it may have been"....if all that cash hadn't been spent. Doesn't matter "how bad it may have been"...it's Freak'n bad enough NOW.

If you would quit trying to defend your democrats and start being an American citizen first, perhaps you'd start to admit more and more truths versus defending a President that continues to try and re-arrange how our country has been governed for years.
That's one thing you can say he was truthful about, transformation, he told everyone exactly what he was gonna do and he's done quite the job so far.
Can't you see it's people like you that hang on to the tag of being a democrat or republican and make excuses for the waste, abuse and corruption unless it's committed by the 'other guys', that keeps the status quo?

Don't you get it? They're all the other guys...it's us they use...they control...for example, take the black population of America...the dems have convinced the blacks that they (the dems) are the 'only' party looking out for them...at least the last 50 years or so...dems could count on taking 90% plus of the black vote....who's really the slave masters here?
Division is the politicians tool....keep us fighting each other so we overlook their stealing of our money and they maintain their power....
The unions contribute thousands...millions of dollars...then the elected turn around and uses our tax money to 'repay' the support...either in 'shovel ready' work projects, contracts, loan guarantees or bail outs...covering those fantastic retirement benefits and pensions.
Sure...that's great for the teachers, firemen, policemen, labor union members ect....but what about the rest of us, TR? Why should hard working, tax paying people have their money taken to cover a union contract benefit for another person?

Solyndra was the perfect example of taking care of 'friends'...If there wasn't something shady about the whole deal, why did the company officials clam up and answer no questions during the inquiry?
Of course there were favors...and don't even try to share the blame of this loan with the Bush admin...the loan was stopped by the Bush Admin when the review/future looked grim and taken up again when Obama entered office....the truth...doesn't matter if a Republican or Democrat abuses our tax money...it's wrong on either side...
The government shouldn't be 'making bets' with our money to begin with...oh, and don't forget...the law was probably broken by the Obama Admin to 'restructure' the loan so you and me were at the rear of the line to get any repayment from any assets left. Something never done before...the tax payer is supposed to be first in line...THEN other investors...but no, they protected those friends, didn't they?
Do you defend that action as well?...just because Dems did it? If you do, then you're lost and don't want to know the truth nor do you have any desire to hold responsible anyone(except the 'other side'). If a democrat or republican abuses their position and uses our money for their own gain or for their associates, business partners, friends or family, we should all be in a uproar...and demand justice...and if we can't get that...take their position away by voting them out of office.

That's another of our problems...not enough people casting votes in elections....it's disgraceful.

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Now...you're last mention of Social Security...AND Medicare...they go hand in hand.

I make my living advising people on Social Security and Medicare...having spent 30 years in the healthcare/insurance industry...and I'm fast approaching retirement...so, yes..it's important to me, you and many, many people.

Now...let's forget the dems TV commercial of a congressman 'look-a-like' shoving an old woman off the cliff...side aside the old battle cry of the democratic party that the republicans want to 'take away' your SSI/Medicare...let's dig down to the truth.

OBamaCare cuts Medicare reimbursements and has a 500 billion dollar cut for all those Social Security beneficiaries on Medicare...doing away with Medicare Advantage Plans...most of them 'premium free' for the retirees. Remember...not all people get to retire as a union member with all those sweet benefits 'bailed out' by the tax payers.
These plans offered by insurance companies, paid for by monies from the Medicare fund release all risk to the government, provide all the care under Medicare rules plus provide extra benefits such as Dental, Hearing and Vision...healthclub memberships...over the counter medications, transportation, even prescription coverage...all for less money than the government (us, the tax payers) would have spent WITHOUT the fraud and waste...only about 100 Billion dollars during the past two years....some plans even pay the Part B premium for the retiree (average is about 100$ a month...hell, you know if you're 68...you get $96.40 deducted from your SSI every month)...those plans will be history under ObamaCare...sure...the republicans and those insurance companies are the bad guys, right?

See, common ruse...point your finger at the 'other guy' and say he wants to take away your benefits while you're the one actually cutting them....smoke and mirrors...keep the masses confused...

Why do you think AARP stood up there on stage with Obama with people in the doctor smocks and endorsed the healthcare plan??....because they're 'looking out' for the old folks? LOL, yeah right...because the 500 billion dollar cut destroyed the 'free plans'(to the beneficiaries) offered by private insurance companies...so when it takes effect...those poor masses will now have to survive on only Medicare...having to pay deductibles and co-insurance amounts...but what AARP hopes for is, maybe now, they'll all 'purchase' Medicare Supplement Policies from United Healthcare...AARP's partner!! Follow the dollars....

I have clients that are trying to live on less than 600$ a month and under ObamaCare will now have to pay what Medicare doesn't out of their pocket (or go without care) or spend an average of 200$ with AARP/UnitedHealthCare for their supplement.

See how it's done?...shout loudly about the 'other guy' and say he (republicans) wants to cut your benefits...when they've already done the dirty deed. ...the truth is hidden...to most...another example was all the talk about people having their insurance cancelled when they got diagnosed with cancer or some other terrible health problem...what did Obama say??...my plan will prevent that from happening 'any more'...never again will a big bad insurance company cut off your benefits..."thank me..and my party"...LOL..
I've been in the business over thirty years...licensed in 17 states at one point in my career and you know what? Those laws were 'on the books' in ALL fifty states...even way back in the '70's...just more smoke and mirrors...

Lies...deception and division...power corrupts...and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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Sugar,
I'm not a socialist and I'm not an abortionist, but the TRUTH is that "how our country has been governed for years" is no longer working if 24 million people can't find full-time employment.

There's such a thing as government owned corporations (a form of nationalism) and imho, if capitalists want to go to bed with communist cheap labor and don't even seem to care about whether Americans are losing their homes, then capitalism in our nation may need to be supplemented by government owned enterprises with a mandate like our postal service (that is, just to be able to support themselves while putting thousands of Americans to work).

rex

Damn, man...you actually think the government can run a business better than the private sector? Look at my example of Medicare...billions wasted....
The economy is in this condition BECAUSE of government interference....
The housing problem was because the government put pressure on the lending institutions/banks to provide loans for people that shouldn't have got them to start with....just so they (the politicians) could brag that home ownership is higher under our admin...same old thing...'buy' the people off...but the piper has to be paid...the housing bubble and government regs has killed the economy...wake up...
NO ONE can spend your money more wisely than YOU!

You speak of more government intervention...hell, the government backs what...over 80% of all home mortages now....any wonder it finally crashed? Yeah...Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have done miracles for the housing industry...

During most of our lifetime, TR...we've only got about 12 years difference...America WAS the manufacturer of goods for the world...we enjoyed a higher standard of living following WWII because unlike so many other countries, the war wasn't fought on our land. We, as a country, was ready to 'supply' the world...and we prospered...but yes, I agree, things change...and that's what has changed...now, China takes the place of the U.S....Japan...India...cheaper labor equals a higher profit margin...that's just good business...nothing wrong with that.

But when government thinks it can choose who stays in business and who doesn't or tries to control or become the business...we all lose...China isn't making China rich...WE ARE...you and me...when we purchase anything made there...it isn't their form of government...it's far more simple...it's economics...
The intervention that SHOULD take place is an honest government, not in bed with the companies...that would levy import fees/taxes ect...and protect those jobs...but no...donate a few thousand dollars to my campaign and I'll make sure your profit is protected....

One final thought...cause it appears you can't release yourself from being on 'one team'....and realizing that either team is working for themselves at our expense...
All the billions wasted...all the money that went to a very small portion of our entire population...this bail out...that loan guarantee...this contract or that...think if the wonderful politicians had just 'refunded' that money back to us...where it came from in the first place...there's a stimulus that would have worked...let us decide how to spend our money...but no, they know what's best for us, right?...

Perhaps you agreed with the recent discussion about removing 'Tony the Tiger' from the frosted flakes cereal box...Oh aren't they so wise? and aren't we so lucky that us dumb masses have a few people 'looking out' for us all...

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Sugar,
you're right, except that your forgetting that on the other end of those strings are real people losing their homes (not all hippies (not all able to get rich like Herman Cain says)). There are kids on those strings going into hock to get an education, but only succeeding to get themselves indebted for a third of their lives and there are millions of them.

Private enterprise doesn't care about them, private enterprise only cares about a profit and yes, cheap labor in China is certainly turning a profit for those small numbers of our business class;
but let me put it another way ...
in about a week I need to travel into our city area to our local hospital for blood tests and in the news yesterday I heard that the crime rate is way up.

Our population is becoming divided into the *haves* and the *have nots* and the way my seventh grade history teacher explained it, the Civil War was really fought because the highly industrialised north was unable to compete with the slave labor of the south.
Yeah, I know, my thoughts are all over the place.

rex

Well maybe we're accomplishing something here...perhaps us two old farts are providing some entertainment with our back and forth discussion.

Yes, I understand people are having to move out of homes they couldn't afford...but taking my tax dollars to help them isn't fair to me...I knew I couldn't afford the inflated home prices and didn't buy, I exercised my right to make a sound judgement versus those that were able to get in a home without using any of their money (thanks to various agencies and government influence).

If you don't have anything invested...it's easy to walk away. I know of one guy, working at McDonalds (not a manager) earning less than 8$ an hour, with help of Acorn was able to get into a 200,000$ home...surprise surprise he's getting foreclosed on. If I were a bank that was basically forced to provide these 'low income/high risk' loans...yep, I'd probably go back to the government and ask for a bail out now that I've lost my butt doing what you wanted me to do.

As far as student loans...did anyone 'force' those 'kids' to take out those 'government backed' student loans...no! Should I be forced to subsidize their loans from my hard labor so they can be debt free and enjoy the life as a physician, lawyer or similar high income position?

No...they want NOW...what took you, I and others years to earn and acquire....gimme gimme gimme...
Same old story..your haves and have nots...is a creation of division...encourage someone else to envy what another has labored for...some people have more cause they 'earned' it...just as some people have no desire to work...they want the hand out..."it's not fair"...he has more than me...damn it, go earn it like he did...not take from him and give to you...self responsibility....did Bill Gates earn his fortune? or does he owe all of us that don't have what he earned? equal opportunity doesn't mean equal success....

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