There needs to be an occupy wall street protest,in every city and town,in this country. Then there needs to be common themes,that puts the US government,on the spot. These protests,need to spread abroad in every country. The US military personnel,need to go on strike and protest against the government,including veterans. If this is done,I bet things will slowly change.

People are protesting all over the globe Doodoomite. Even here in Stockholm.

Yep...at least that shows the US doesn't have a monopoly on misguided and clueless citizens.

Who are most misguided ? Those who sits in silence while they are violated or those who try to resist in whatever way they can?

Yes T Rex,the electoral college needs to be dropped. And yes,it would benefit Democrats and Independents more. And I do believe the low income and below the poverty level people, in this country will continue to grow. I think it will reach epic proportions before too long. Maybe the government should get rid of the sales tax and most other taxes for at least one year,to see what efect that has.

yes let's get rid of all taxes even for the millionaires and big business's who barely pay now!!!

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The trickle down effect

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Hmmmmm Did anyone see where the protestors on wall street are getting free gourmet lunches and breakfests? They will never leave hell i would never leave after seeing what they get to eat!!!

Here they opened up free fleamarkets, goods on display where you may take anything you like without paying for it I'm sure most of us have lot's of stuff laying around, taking up space, that we never use anymore but that others may have use for.

we ( in the uk ) have a website called 'freecycle' that serves the same function .

Rush today said to rehire police and fire laid off by the
down turn would not help
he said
will there not still be criminals?
Will there still not be fires?
They are deliberatley holding the economy down to defeat Obama

Gimme a break.
The oh so great 'jobs bill' was defeated in the senate...who controls the senate?...the democrats! Obama's own party...
Sure the Republicans voted against...But if ALL democrats had 'backed' their own party's #1 man...Obama...it woulda passed and the republicans couldn't have done nothing about it.
It's nothing but 'pay back' money for the union folks...damn, why can't people take the blinders off, quit seeing political sides and just look at the 'truth'?!
How many freak'n emergency spending bills is it gonna take to help bring about a better economy....no...let me answer that...NO MORE...that's the problem...all this emergency, we gotta pass this now crap...one after another...all the tax payer money going down the drain.
Your review of Rush's comment is absolutely right...will more police on the street equal less crime? maybe..some crimes...We've got laws banning murder, rape and robbery..do those crimes still happen? of course, they do..
please don't tell me you're gonna fall for that hype? or load of crap that the dumb @$# VP Biden has spewed the last few days?! My God, what an embarrassment! These guys are endorsing class and racial strife just so they can hold on to their jobs...we need to throw almost all the bums out!
As long as they keep us divided and fighting each other...taking sides simply because of party, then they win and we continue to lose and the only people that profit are those in office and their friends.

Exactly Sugar and that is why you should join the protesters on Wall Street. Kick the corrupt and greedy lot out, that's what the whole thing is about isn't it? Admittedly the US system of gpvernment leaves little or no chance for outsiders to get into office though. Maybe you should start promoting a system where the seats are dealt out after how many % of the votes each runner is given. I'm sure you'd soon see several parties in the congress if all iot took was one % or so of the total votes. Also a lot more would actually use their right to vote.

No Lod, most of the protestor lot are clueless and don't wish for an 'opportunity' to earn what they desire...they simply want the government to take from those that have succeeded and give to them.
Another large portion of the protestors are being organized/financed by the very people that are corrupt and in bed with the politicians.

Our system of government and capitalism is what has made the US exceptional for many, many years, providing the opportunity for someone with little or no education or family wealth to become successful and perhaps wealthy....the corruption of those elected is the problem....not the original system....but the original system has been modified, changed and warped into the monster we now have. Term limits for elected office would be one valuable change or restoration in the right direction. Career politicians is the center of the problems we now face...those that are selfish to maintain their own personal power and influence.

For over 200 years, peoples from every country on earth desired to live/work and prosper where opportunity and fairness existed. Thousands of immigrants have landed on our shores and changed their lives because of our system. Many arrived with little or no personal wealth and have elevated their standard of living to levels they could have never achieved in their 'home' countries.

However no country, organization, system or even a singular family will be successful or fair to all, if corruption becomes embedded within.

It is our own fault as the American citizen didn't participate to the level we should have....slowly as years passed we have 'allowed' the government to acquire more and more power over our lives....we have been too apathetic, until now when the corrupted system requires too much from the individual to feed the 'machine'.
We must 'return' to the strict Constitutional values that created America's success.
The government only works when it fears the people....when the people fear the government then never can opportunity/fairness be afforded to all.....then it becomes the same as a dictatorship or similar form of government. A few have the power and only then will who they choose prosper and enjoy true freedom to determine their own path in life.

A fair government doesn't 'give or provide' the equivalent job/housing/personal wealth/materials to all, it protects the freedom of the individual to determine their own success or personal life style....to make your own personal choice...we are all different...some wish only for safe employment, modest or comfortable lifestyle while others may have a more ambitious nature and desire to acquire more wealth, land or education.

When morals and integrity are absent, then problems arise. That is where we are now as a country.

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Yes most are clueless about what they want instead. That's pretty common when people revolt, the broad masses are only disatisfied with their current life. However if you get rid of the despots first you can deal with the problem later. See what happenes in the arabic world atm and what has happened in countless revolutions in history. I don't think the masses had any idea of what they wanted instead of the King of England in the US either. Sure, a smaller group of men had plans but what about average Joe?
Protests like this present one will draw a lot of diffrent opportunists and philosofers. There are anarkists, nazis, socialists, communists, libertarians, etc Who will decide the future will be another fight once the bankers are gone from power.

Yes moral and integrity are gone because the system worships money. Money is what drives people to sell their soles and betray their kindfolk. And who controls the money? Yep. BANKERS. I made a calculation: If the fed lended out $100 in 1911, at 2% interest, we today would owe them well over $700 and to be able to pay thart debt we would have to borrow all of it since only the fed is allowed to issue money. One could say the fed took over 7 times as much in the century that passed and it is an accelerating process. Why do people accept this? Would they be as understanding if it was about let's say land? Lend me and acre today and you'll owe me 7 in 100 years? I don't think that would be acceptable, do you? Furthermore all land would soon be owned by the bankers, as is the situation we have today with the welth counted in money.

Capitalism works just like any ponci scheeme. In the begining there is enough money around to make everyone feel like they are winners but as time goes money concentrates and new competitors will find it ever harder to compete with the ones who was in it from the start. In the end there will be no fresh investors to fuel the market and the thing collapses. That has happened and will continue to do so, fasater and faster as the money needs to shift hands ever faster to keep the engine going. It's pretty selfevident that it can't go on like that forever since we have limited resources.

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1st.-The US gov. should change the time in office for the Pres. from 4 to 6 yrs.,2nd-Have all elections held at the same time(Pres.-Senate-Reps),3rd-Create a workable system to take of all the homeless people in this country(housing-healtcare-treatment-education-job training-employment),4th-The same for all of the unemployed people in this country,5th-Create a workable system for all veterans in this country regardless of their situation,6th-Create totally different(Education-Healthcare-Housing-Urban Devlopment-Infrastructure-Economic-Employment-Criminal-Justice-Military)systems in this country. Once these systems are created and put in place,it probably would take about 5 to 6 yrs. to see the full results of it. The systems that are in place now,doesn't work,they all need to be replaced or revamped. I've graduated from high school,went to college,served in the military,held several jobs,lived in several housing situations,did several job training programs,applied for different types of assistance,experienced homelessness,and participated in plenty of townhall,cityhall and other commissioned meetings. All of these situations had extremely high levels of red tape and unnecesary BS! So like I said,all of our systems need a complete makeover. And I may give details on how each one can be fixed,later in the forums.

WooooHoooooo The war is OVER!! and the troops will be home be4 christmas? giggles like I said he keeps springing one old campaign promise up after another. Now that his term is ending his campaigning promises are finally being fullfilled!!! :O Imagine that. *Rolls Eyes* I guess it is better late then never. And never mind announcing he is sending troops to boarder the coast between Indiana and Syria cause everyone knows Syria is the next trouble spot we will invade.And how do I know this when no announcements have been made? My niece in the army who survived the tusammi and the big earthquake has healed well enough to be one of the 1st 500 troops sent there So OBAMA LIED!!! Not all troops are coming home. We are leaving some behind to watch another bad spot. Just an example of his half truths there have been several others you have to really listen and watch him to catch them.
My other big quirk is to get the congress and senators more honest is FIRE their hand pick lobbyst and replace them with college students who have some sort of polotical major and have them for part of their semester test take polygraphs and keep journals of their meeting and activities
then grade them on how well they do with the test and how well they keep the journal and how much they learned about the congress/ senate depending on which they were assigned to. Offer then more then just 1 credit for the course that way they are more inclined to do it and complete it in a honorable and trustworthy fashion. Limit them to how they run this county and cut off big business ties and donations of cash and trips to the polloticians this way.

As long as I'm posting again, I wasn't going to make an issue out of how the *jobs bill* didn't get passed, but as I've already stated, exactly why 60 votes were needed and NOT just a majority, I don't know, but here it is again:

""OLITICS"' TARGET=new>articles.cnn.com/2011-10-20/politics/politics_jobs-bill_1_jobs-bill-jobs-plan-republicans?_s=PMOLITICS"

"Democrats and Republicans tried to force versions of a jobs bill through the Senate late Thursday, but both fell short of the 60 votes they would have needed to bring their proposals to the floor.""

*(the link above still works inspite of the smiley)*

Anyway, yes two Democrats did vote against the bill, but those two votes would still not have given the necessary 60 votes that were needed;
however, I understand that if only a majority were necessary, I think the count in favor did go to 53 votes which would have given a majority.

PS:
As far as how to fix America, I honestly do believe it has something to do with our method of voting.
Also, whether the Electoral College is constitutional or not, again, I don't know, but it seems to me that a true democracy would count each vote of each American toward a majority;
So that would necessitate elimination of the Electoral college.

However though, an awefully lot of Americans are on the poor end of the economic, voting stick for various reasons, So it seems to me that some eligibility requirements might be necessary like possibly: high school diploma, maybe property owner and possibly lack of criminal record.

Here's a video which supports the idea that there's a need to change the way we vote:

"www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/45000069#44998440"
rex

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You can't reinstall diffrent status of citizenships. Either you are a citizen or you are not. Going back to the 19th century ways, where you had to own property and be a man to vote is no the way to go. In todays world people are more aware than ever due to the internet and should be able to vote already at the age of 16, or even sooner.
That guy in the video is spot on though. People are not happy with the current situation and will continue to protest until they get change. Either it will be by peaceful meassures or if the politicians keep neglecting the people for too long, blood will flow.

Just for the record Lod, property ownership is not all that unethical because afterall, property owners pay property taxes;
So why should a non-property tax-payer have the right to say how to spend those taxes?

However, I grant you that it is an antiquated idea and even unconstitutional now.

rex