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AuthorTopic : Mastering ZoC (a picture tutorial)
Sage DoC
Joined 8/11/2002
Posts : 4070

Posted : Monday, 19 December 2005 - 17:05

www.futurehobo.com/ZoCexplained.html

First draft, guys, help me improve it.

Moros
Joined 29/10/2005
Posts : 81

Posted : Monday, 19 December 2005 - 18:07

thanks Sage, it helped me understand much better the ZoC thingy

West
Joined 27/06/2005
Posts : 232

Posted : Monday, 19 December 2005 - 21:18

sticky this?

Mog DoC
Joined 5/02/2004
Posts : 14303

Posted : Monday, 19 December 2005 - 21:53

"Let's direct our attention first to my Swordsman-5. Right now, he's standing next to Commander-5, an enemy troop. There are 4 open hexes around him, marked with X's. However, he cannot move to ANY of them. ZoC limits him."

You contradict this in the next paragraphs where you say he can move somewhere.

Also, spell commandeers correctly where it appears.

The final image isn't loading for me, not sure if this a problem for others.

This is a very good tutorial! I congratulate you, Sage, on your initiative.

Sage DoC
Joined 8/11/2002
Posts : 4070

Posted : Monday, 19 December 2005 - 21:56

doh...I didn't mean it like that. I meant that he can't move to JUST any of the spaces. I'll fix that, it was a syntax error

The last image loads for me...is anyone else having a problem?

Last Edited : Monday, 19 December 2005 - 21:58

lord sirus
Joined 20/10/2005
Posts : 485

Posted : Monday, 19 December 2005 - 22:13

now i understand thankyou sage i appreciate it. :-D

Ghengis Khan
Joined 24/03/2003
Posts : 1158

Posted : Tuesday, 20 December 2005 - 16:02

Sage in your quiz to review there is a slight dicrepancy.

There are 3 enemy units preventing movement to hex 1. Not mentioning the archers would get some players thinking that they don't have an affect on ZOC.

Sage DoC
Joined 8/11/2002
Posts : 4070

Posted : Tuesday, 20 December 2005 - 17:34

I thought about that, but I figured adding more numbers into the mix would confuse people. The jist of it is you can't move from 1 to 2. Moving from 1 to 3 is basically just moving from 1 to 2+1

In reality, the archers DON'T have an affect on ZoC...not really. They could disappear completely and the scout still would be unable to move there.

I'll consider changing it, though I think it would just make it more confusing.

Ghengis Khan
Joined 24/03/2003
Posts : 1158

Posted : Tuesday, 20 December 2005 - 19:21

I mentioned it more for the fact that somebody would report a bug someday, that the archers are causing ZOC.

You could also take away the spearmen and they still couldn't move to that spot.

Sage DoC
Joined 8/11/2002
Posts : 4070

Posted : Tuesday, 20 December 2005 - 19:50

Ghengis, anybody reporting that bug obviously wouldn't understand ZoC. My tutorial makes it clear, does it not, that moving from a hex next to one enemy to a hex next to two is not allowed? Anybody who understands that concept won't be confused. The archer, in that situation, has no effect on ZoC.

However, I suppose it's hoping for too much to expect everyone who reads the tutorial to be intelligent. I've edited the photos and deleted the archer from them. Now there will be no confusion

ShadowSerenity
Joined 17/12/2005
Posts : 19

Posted : Wednesday, 21 December 2005 - 01:39

That was very helpful! I'd been wondering what the heck everyone meant when they said ZoC...muchos gracias Sage!

grimreaper420
Joined 11/12/2005
Posts : 128

Posted : Wednesday, 21 December 2005 - 07:06

Seems pretty obvious to me. Good work. Take that req!!!! See it's simple!

Funky
Joined 28/10/2004
Posts : 1198

Posted : Wednesday, 21 December 2005 - 07:20

Maybe Mog or req could clear out this thread and make it a sticky?

lord sirus
Joined 20/10/2005
Posts : 485

Posted : Wednesday, 21 December 2005 - 11:47

i now use zoc to my benifite thanks sage no just elabertate on them like three courses to use ZoC.

TubeSteak
Joined 7/10/2003
Posts : 149

Posted : Wednesday, 21 December 2005 - 12:43

I knew enough about ZoC to get by but now after Sage's help I realize I didnt know crud. Thanks Sage it really helped.

Mog DoC
Joined 5/02/2004
Posts : 14303

Posted : Thursday, 22 December 2005 - 06:36

I'll put a link to it on the existing sticky. I've tried to be sparing in my use of stickies and I still get complaints when I make one. So I'll add to the existing ones.

Raptor
Joined 15/08/2001
Posts : 3742

Posted : Thursday, 22 December 2005 - 13:21

yeah i had the same idea mog but i wanted to ask sage to post a link there...i just havent seen sage...

huitzilopochtli
Joined 29/08/2003
Posts : 468

Posted : Friday, 30 December 2005 - 18:29

Also here if you are in a 1-1 situation and wanting to move to a 1-2 situation and have enough move points you can initially move to a 1-0 spot and then move to the 1-2 spot.
If this makes sense.

MacWar
Joined 5/01/2005
Posts : 44

Posted : Sunday, 22 January 2006 - 11:11

I am not entirely clear, some of the comments seem to suggest that units like comms and range (archers, etc.) do not effect ZOC. Is that correct?

Sage DoC
Joined 8/11/2002
Posts : 4070

Posted : Sunday, 22 January 2006 - 11:15

Not at all. ALL units affect ZoC.

Would you mind pointing out which parts confused you? I'd like to make it more clear.

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