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AuthorTopic : Turtle tactic
tribal5.56
Joined 29/05/2003
Posts : 17

Posted : Sunday, 27 November 2005 - 18:30

how to defeat the terrible army macemen/marksmen?
you know macemen guard and you get killed before you can reach marksmen.
any advices?

Ultima Bahamut
Joined 1/12/2001
Posts : 2508

Posted : Sunday, 27 November 2005 - 18:35

kill them ALL!!

Sage DoC
Joined 8/11/2002
Posts : 4070

Posted : Sunday, 27 November 2005 - 19:13

Well, since Requiem took away our ability to move after an attack, there's really no way to defeat them.

He'll get back eventually and fix the bug, and then they won't be invulnerable.

I'd suggest one of three options:

(1. Protest the incredible unbalance and lack of strategy by not battling
(2. Use mace/marks yourself
(3. There's probably some strategy involving knights that can defeat it...if you're lucky. If a good player is behind the mace/marks, though, you'll be doomed.

Maximillian
Joined 31/10/2004
Posts : 328

Posted : Sunday, 27 November 2005 - 19:33

Since it's because of that movement bug the tactic works so well, couldn't it be considered bug abusing?

Sage DoC
Joined 8/11/2002
Posts : 4070

Posted : Sunday, 27 November 2005 - 20:11

Yeah, good luck trying to prosecute everyone who uses mass marks.

It's a bug, sure, but it affects both sides equally. NEITHER side can move after an attack. Consider it a temporary change to the game rules, and adjust your strategies accordingly.

Mog DoC
Joined 5/02/2004
Posts : 14303

Posted : Sunday, 27 November 2005 - 22:47

This recent change is one for the worse. Not allowing any movement after ANY attack is wrong. I hope that Req fixes this very soon.

Not even thinking about it I happened to choose Mace and Marks shortly after this change was made. I was battling rekindledflame and he took a normal 4 HC strat. I had 10 Marks and 8 Mace, and a ton of spears, I think 16 or something. It was brutal for him, he couldn't even get a single hit on my Marks since I wasn't giving him any decent hex setups. He had to hit me twice on a 2 vs 2 hex. Not 3 or 4 times as usual. He had absolutely no chance to beat it. So, now what? We just use Mace and Marks or die? Borrrrrrring!

Coopels DoC
Joined 29/01/2005
Posts : 1037

Posted : Monday, 28 November 2005 - 00:34

we all should just start playing barbs

rekindledflame55
Joined 27/09/2005
Posts : 228

Posted : Monday, 28 November 2005 - 01:10

coops right for once . Until this bug is fixed I won't play medi, atleast with anyone who decides to use mass marks/mace. Even with mass knights I find it very unlikely you could win, but I suppose stranger things have happened.

Mog DoC
Joined 5/02/2004
Posts : 14303

Posted : Monday, 28 November 2005 - 05:27

Does the phrase "Longbows and Slayers" conjure up any visions? Might even work better than Mace and marks!

rekindledflame55
Joined 27/09/2005
Posts : 228

Posted : Monday, 28 November 2005 - 05:31

not likely to work as well, with as much damage as kings do, plus your own longbowmen

Mog DoC
Joined 5/02/2004
Posts : 14303

Posted : Monday, 28 November 2005 - 06:47

It worked just like a charm. Ipso facto, presto chango! Now how do you enjoy that crow? Boiled?

rekindledflame55
Joined 27/09/2005
Posts : 228

Posted : Monday, 28 November 2005 - 06:48

sure it worked, but how effectively? You won, but not by a landslide like the mace/marks....my only point is, given a better strategic player, than myself, I think that strat can be beat rather effectively. A 4 longbowmen strat would do rather nice. *goes to think of the rest of the troop lineup*

Odenage
Joined 17/03/2005
Posts : 273

Posted : Monday, 28 November 2005 - 08:21

anyone want mass marks/mace battle with me? XD id love to have one you know...

tribal5.56
Joined 29/05/2003
Posts : 17

Posted : Monday, 28 November 2005 - 12:17

yea with barbs it s terrible too
4 babrs chief blocking way +10 longbows it s very hard:/

and in auto battle it s almost the same but you can win by a good engage and good close combat but..

Odenage
Joined 17/03/2005
Posts : 273

Posted : Monday, 28 November 2005 - 13:06

no, get macemen, and barb chiefs are like cakes

Hankyspanky
Joined 3/07/2004
Posts : 1602

Posted : Tuesday, 29 November 2005 - 14:41

the mass neeths strategy is hard to use because of the bug.. it needs to get fixed soon

tribal5.56
Joined 29/05/2003
Posts : 17

Posted : Saturday, 3 December 2005 - 11:03

(' ' ~ !!

here s the problem(auto3)
i attack 10 macemen in def mod w/ 20 macemen
i have lost 4 macemen he lost 2..
attack rating is 2:1 damage is 1:2
there s a problem no?

Sage DoC
Joined 8/11/2002
Posts : 4070

Posted : Saturday, 3 December 2005 - 11:47

It's possible that your macemen had sustained damage prior to the attack, and that's why you lost so many. You had some guys just hanging on?

Attacking macemen with mace will never really bring you out on top. You'll probably always lose at least as many as you kill.

By the way, the bug is fixed now. Mace/marks are no longer unbeatable.

tribal5.56
Joined 29/05/2003
Posts : 17

Posted : Saturday, 3 December 2005 - 16:32

huh well hmm maybe they ve been hit before
i donno...

Last Edited : Saturday, 3 December 2005 - 16:33

lord sirus
Joined 20/10/2005
Posts : 485

Posted : Saturday, 3 December 2005 - 16:49

if they are in defense mode it doubles their defense which means trhey do twice as much retaliation but half as much aggression.

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